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>이것은 등산객, XC, FR/DH 라이더 등이 공유하는 산길(multi use trail)에서의 라이딩에 관한 글입니다.
>누가 통행 우선권(right of way)을 갖는지에 대해 나름대로의 진지한 토론을 펼치고 있습니다.
>며칠전 Mtbr에 올라왔던 게시물입니다. 양이 너무 많아서 번역하지는 못했네요.
>의식이 있는 MTB 라이딩에 관심이 있는 분들은 꼭 한 번 읽고 생각을 해볼 수 있었으면 합니다.
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항상 안전하고 즐거운 라이딩 되세요~
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>flagbikn   Sep-02-03, 02:22 AM    
>"way to go!!"  
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>riding up schultz creek used to be a nice mellow climb. boy have the times changed. twice riding up schultz creek this past week, i was nearly plowed over by some screaming ass dhers. a clan of long travel, beefy bikes with disc brakes. what respect do i get from these fools. a load of skidding and almost getting a trip to the local hospital where i work. wouldn't that have been fun. i am not here to rip you guys up and down. just ave a little common courtesy and a little common sense. as for me, i will get smarter and not ride up schultz creek highway anymore as this is happening to many of my biker fellas. what happened to trail etiquette. apparently is it non-existent anymore. gone are the days of kind folks slowing down maybe even stopping to let a brother climb up past you. it's a good thing there are other trails to ride up than the creek. learn some bike control you fools.
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>Poseur   Sep-02-03, 02:39 AM    
>"I'm on your side, man, but "learn some bike control you fools"?"  
>I DO think you're a bit out of line just grouping us all together as a band of morons, you're a mountainbiker yourself, therefore you're one of us, too. There's constructive ways to go about spreading your word, or, perhaps you're just trying to start a pissing match. I can feel your frustration. I too have been on XC rides, and nearly rundown by "one of us evil freeriders" Generally I either point down, catch them and bro-up or blow up, or just get in the way enough to make contact and bitch. Nothing wrong with having fun, on your big squishy beast, but PLEASE everyone keep other trailusers in mind. Trailuse is a VERY delicate issue to toy with. Runover the wrong politically rooted hiker or equestrian coming around that blind corner, and we're all prettymuch screwed. The official "rules" ARE to yield to those riding uphill. For one they've been working harder, It's also alot trickier for them to get back moving, but mostly it's a reminder to keep under control. Control not only meaning control over your own fate, but that of others who may be present around the bend. This goes everybit for XC riders, too. Just because your bikes weight half as much doesn't make it any better when you come riding beyond your limits down a trail. The lycra image just portrays you as innocent. We all know how it is.
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>silverbullit   Sep-02-03, 08:26 AM    
>"DHer's PLEASE YIELD!!!!"  
>As you can see from Flagbikn's post, it only takes a few to ruin the reputation of the many.
>We are having huge problems in Santa Barbara because of a few reckless kids that don't think about anyone But themselves. Hauling ass at full speed down MULTI USE trails is not a god given right. Ride fast, but stay in control. Save the ballz out stuff for the lift access Dh runs.
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>Be respectful. Always use a cow bell to warn unsuspecting travelers that you are coming. Stop and allow hikers, XC bikers and horses to pass. If the hiker is nice enough to step off the trail to let you pass, SLOW DOWN so you don't scare the sh!t out of them and then say thanks!
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>If the powers that be believe DHer's are becoming a public safety hazard... THEY WILL RESTRICT OR DENY OUR ACCESS TO THESE TRAILS. As Dhing becomes more popular these issues have the potential to explode. Please just use some common sense. If you were hiking and had a dude on a 40lb. bike wearing full body armor surprise you and your family on a blind corner, how would you feel?
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>freerider215   Sep-02-03, 09:40 AM    
>"I'm on your side, man, but "learn some bike control you fools"?"  
>I agree everyone just has to use some common sense. I used to be one of those guys who would just fly down our local trails that hikers and equestrians use, i would say "screw them, i'm in control and i want to go FAST! NOW!" honestly i don't think i ever put anyone in danger except for one time. you see when you can see other trail users you can make allowances for where they are and where you want to go, but what if you can't see them? the dreaded blind corner! one time i was flying down the mountain coming in to a blind turn (must have taken this corner a million times at speed and never anyone there) i did slow a litte and thank god- right around the turn was a young couple walking up with a small baby in one of those baby slings on the fathers chest. i immediately stopped, but i scared the shiite out of them, no doubt, i mean really scared them. normally i would have appologized till i was blue, but i was so freaked at what could have happened i just said i was sorry and rode away. i do agree that all users have to be aware of each other not just mtbikers being aware of everyone else. i see one of the biggest problems being horseback riders, god the suck. they should be getting more shiite than mtbikers. oh, and the same goes for xc'ers . i was riding (again at my local trails) i was taking one of the longest DHs there (most hikers stay away from this as do horsebackers) so it's usually safe to fly down and there are no blind corners, anyway i'm cruising, about 25 yards (if that from the bottom) and some dude sees me and just starts pedalling up right in my line!!!! now if i'm going 30/35mph and you look up at me and just start riding up you are an axxhole, period. common sense would dictate to wait 15 seconds for me to pass and then start. for anyone who thinks i should have stopped is an ignoramous and the kind of people that all these rules are made for since god didn't grace them with common sense. these are just some stories to show that it's not all black and white and that respect is the bottom line.
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>Jesus   Sep-02-03, 03:54 PM    
>"DH rider control vs XC rider control"  
>I borrowed an XC bike for a ride the other day, and came to the conclusions that these bikes just throw safety out the window.
>An XC bike with skinny, high pressure tires will cause unavoidable skidding on descents, as well reducing your safety margins considerably on downhills. Also the cockpit position of XC bikes will put you in an on the edge out of control position on every steep descent. BTW, being armor clad only does one thing, prevent injuries.
>Downhill mountain bikes on the other hand are designed for one purplse exclusively: To give a rider control on descents.
>Besides, XC riders are just as competative if not more so than anybody else out there riding, and I've seen lots of them bombing on their out of control bikes to get down to the bottom of the hill first.
>Stereotyping downhillers as skilless newbies is unbelievably pig headed. The majority of us who freeride/ downhill do so because our skills have outgrown XC riding over the years and we need something more challenging to stay stoked on mountain biking. We as a popultion are almost exclusively seasoned mountain bikers who have graduated to something more fun. There are only a very few newbie mountain bikers total out there who are riding DH bikes irresponsibly, and they are providing the narrow stereotype that others are clinging onto.
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>ms   Sep-02-03, 08:17 AM    
>"Loser .... nm"  
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>King Rexford   Sep-02-03, 08:39 AM    
>"No ms, you're the loser, don't blow it for all of us"  
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>ms   Sep-02-03, 09:53 AM    
>"Now, explain if you could."  
>ah.... lot of 'DHer' also ride xc/trail ride/ what ever it is.
>Whoever assault the local trails and put them under the risk of closure is the enemy to all of us who rides there, 'DHer' or not.
>If you want to protect your trail, you need to talk to the people who are braking the rules, again, they could be XCer, or DHer, but that doesn't matter.
>You need to talk to the person who is tearing up the trail in front of you.
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>I think this is VERY obvious to anyone who has a brain bigger than size of an orange, but this guy is just flushing his frustration here 'on the net', because he can not stop these guys and say the right thing, do the right thing. He is too afraid. That's why I called him a loser.
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>Now, please explain why I am the loser and he is not.
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>k1rkm   Sep-02-03, 09:48 AM    
>"Hey FLAGBIKN"  
>I see you are just "Mr. POSITIVE" type of guy..aren't ya? Rippin on the North Shore style stunts being built out here in the Midwest and now this...WTF?
>Just take a chill, enjoy what you do have, and MOVE ON!
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>FR1 TeamSally Jimmy D   Sep-02-03, 11:02 AM    
>"re: way to go!!"  
>Yep... it's not so much what ya say... It's how ya say it. It's far
>easier for the rider going down to see the rider comming up BUT then
>educate them AND take notice your self of where the blind spots are.
>Don't be look'n for a fight, find away to avoid them ! (Did I say that?)
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>dirt bro   Sep-02-03, 03:08 PM    
>"it is easier for someone to stop climbing then stop going dh nm"  
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>zedro   Sep-02-03, 03:25 PM    
>"no kidding eh...."  
>-'so why didnt you avoid hitting that run-away train?'
>-'cus its too hard to get going again'...
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>yeah, especially after the broken bones. Seems to me, xc guys can be just as stubborn as anyone else.
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>silverbullit   Sep-02-03, 04:01 PM    
>"That's not the real issue dude..."  
>The real issue is that there are a bunch of pansy-ass hikers and bikers that think we DHer's are a reckless bunch of dumb-ass adrenaline junkies who will eventually hurt or kill some innocent trail users.
>Just give 'em some respect and they will leave us alone.
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>Jesus   Sep-02-03, 04:12 PM    
>"Who the f#@$ made up that rule anyhow?"  
>I'm sorry about this, but does coming to a complete stop on descents to yield the way make any fucking sense? You will scrub all of your speed and waste a huge portion of your downhill ride coming to a stop and picking up speed again. Somebody climbing is barely moving and can easily stop and will easily be able to get back up to the 1mph they were going before they stopped.
>The rule should be: If you are an XC rider and you choose to ride up the DH route when there are other climbing routes availble then you are an idiot, get the fuck out of the way, or better yet, go home and find a different sport.
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>If you are climbing up the trail and see somebody coming down, get out of the way as much as possible. If it means climbing into the bushes with your bike, fine. I'm sure you'll recieve the same courtesy when it's your turn to desend. If you are descending and you see somebody coming up the trail, of course it's courtesy to do what you can to slow down and give them room at your descretion.
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>If you are on a shared use trail and see a hiker? Stop, get off the bike, bow, say "good day", grovel, lick their boot if that's what it takes, do what ever you can to have a good interaction, I'm not even kidding. Do not EVER do anything that could could be considered burning another user on a multi-use trail.
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>If you are a newbie downhiller, remember to ride within your abilites. If you don't feel like you're going fast enough within your abilities, ride more, pracitce, you'll hurt others and yourself by riding over your head.
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>silverbullit   Sep-02-03, 04:25 PM    
>"That rule was....."  
>obviously made pre-DH. I agree, stupid to yeild to an uphill XC. In fact most XC dudes I run into usually stop so they can watch me tear-ass down the trail! Haven't run into to many dorks like flagbikn, thank god.
>This quote is right on too...
>"If you are on a shared use trail and see a hiker? Stop, get off the bike, bow, say "good day", grovel, lick their boot if that's what it takes, do what ever you can to have a good interaction, I'm not even kidding. Do not EVER do anything that could could be considered burning another user on a multi-use trail. "
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>dream4est   Sep-02-03, 07:26 PM    
>"yeilding to uphill users on multi use trails is common sense"  
>the only way to solve this issue is to play by the rules on multi-use trails, all while doing what you can in your area to build dh/freeride specific stuff legally. mtn bikers do not have enough clout in todays trail advocacy circles to have right of way rules changed, but showing respect to other trail users is a great start towards a single-use trail or facility. check this out. at keystone ski resort here in colorado, i yeild to trail users on dh runs on the dh course!!! all the time!! never blowing any uphill users (usually hikers) off the trail. you know what. they respond in kind by being conditioned of the dhers approach and they step off the trail, allowing passage at near full speed. kind words are exchanged even.
>now i understand the whole xcer vs dher thing. this season i had a ride going at reynolds ranch/front range trails outside nederland. was on my jump hardtail making pretty weak xc progress but having fun nonetheless. came to a flatish section that was gnarly sidehill rockfest for riders in both directions. i finally had the right bike for the first section that day so i hopped my way across the ridge line. a group approached. it was flat both ways so i rode right up to the group and balanced on the high "slope side" of the trail in a tasty trackstand. neddless to say this impressed the first two of the group (girls-very good looking- i had to try the trackstand- you know how that goes). they slid by easily on a relatively easy rock sefction. i then moved on a little more to a sketchy rockier point and balanced on the side for the next rider, a guy, who freaked and nearly fell off his bike sideways trying to pass. he talked shit for like 20 seconds as i left my trackstand and cleared the rock garden. made a comment about yeilding trail. i never even said a word, just smiled at the other girls with him amd rock hopped on my way. so as i see it it is just usually testosterone that causes trail problems. xc guys have an ego just as big as dh guys, they are just different. it IS harder to yeild the trail going uphill guys. and i am a dher so there is no playing favorites here. no matter what abide by the rules of the multi use trail or Richard Cunningham will be able to say "i told you so" when dh/freeriders end mtb usage on public trails. it could happen if attitudes do not change on multi use trails.
>the solution: build your own stuff. if you cant find a spot legally, buy or lease some land. show some initiative instead of bombing multi use stuff. how do you think the clunker guys from marin lost their trails 20 years ago? same antics, only on crappier bikes. other trail users are not "weak" or "sissys" compared to you. they are citizens who usually make more money than us and get more involved in issues like trail advocacy. the marin analogy is important: in the late 70's when the klunker guys were bombing they pissed off a marin trail user. that guy was ansel adams, the photographer. he was basically THE GUY at the sierra club at the time. the sierra club made a few phone calls and bam the repack and surrounding trails were closed to mtbers. that next "sissy" you piss off may be tougher than you think. he may have the power of public opinion behind him.
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